Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. on second thought I dont wanna know. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. Yes Sir I do and the ones scattered in the house also. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. You've only seen one page. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so So whats up? While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. Congratulations. For instance, you have Rugers Blackhawk and Vaquero models, Heritage Manufacturings Rough Rider series, replicas made by Pietta, Uberti and Cimarron and so on. In some cases it's not legal. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. Folks need to do what they are comfortable with though. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. and yes i train and rehearse that Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. I appendix carry my 42 chambered, the holster covers the trigger so I feel safe carrying this way, I been carrying this way for a while without issue. A number of gun companies still produce single-action revolvers. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. It is generally safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber, as long as the user follows proper handling and safety protocols. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. Im not a big believer in the the bad guy will just take your gun and use it against you school of thought. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. Is really shouldnt be that hard. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. . OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. Even though they don't have . You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. . Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. Ron DeSantis Says He Supports Adding Open Carry to Floridas Permitless Carry Bill, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/, https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? Personally I dont just carry for my own personal defense, but also the defense of my country, my comrades and other citizens. Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. FNS9-C. You have to train how you'll fight and fight how you train. If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. After a few years of working on them self-taught, I finally . Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. Hes squirmy and all over the place. Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? 2 you may forget to chamber I turn it into the five gun question instead. This Glock pistol does have a super-slim . Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. Ok revolvers. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. It worked before. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber, Standard Manufacturings New S333 Revolver Fires Two .22 WMR Rounds at a Time, District of Columbia AG Subpoenas NRA Foundation Financial Records, Gov. No thanks. I too have a P89. Agreed. In that book, they suggest that the proper way to carry a semi . Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. Much longer than a Glock, twice as heavy as a Glock. That chit will get you *illed in a real shtf. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. Glock developed their patented Safe Action System which will not allow the gun to be fired without a finger on the trigger and a dedicated trigger pull. But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. So the trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if its dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isnt a direct firing pull.Best practice is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. Not thinking human beings. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Big Bill: First, mad would need to learn what punctuation is for. Ho Hum, Well written I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Carrying A Glock With One In The Chamber. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Mar 8, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) The LCP II is just as safe to carry as any striker-fired gun on the market without a thumb safety, including every Glock and most M&P's etc. All terrific replies. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. Prices accurate at time of writing. Fuck off gov. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. Safe and ready when I am. Jul 18, 2010. Nobody whos ever advocated carrying with an empty chamber has ever explained how they were going to fight off two assailants AND chamber a round at the same time. I got two strikers, finally, couple years ago, a 9mm and a 40. The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. But as Sam has pointed out, one needs to practice and I have. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? In a holster made for the gun you carry, making sure its unobstructed is a quick check. The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. Only ONE centerfire pistol? It was being carried in an improper holster or the operator got careless in putting the pistol back into the holster, by not making sure the path was clear. If you can have a momentary lapse of judgement handling a half million ft/lbs you could certainly have one while handling 350. Absolutely. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. I submit never. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. I'm not exactly a diehard with pistol-caliber carbines but I definitely enjoy them. . I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it? Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. The Gen 5 Glock pistol is the latest generation in the Glock household. Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. You just have to scroll down to it. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. Maybe. Considering the odds of handling a particular weapon every day for years or possibly the rest of your life hoping to never have a brain fart in the process, and many people wisely choose another option. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearm's design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. Still disagree? Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. As in mentally deranged. One other one was very tragic. Do not get me wrong here as training is vital, that said the real problem is you cant cure stupid, Murphy, or brain farts! What Glock Is Most Used By Law Enforcement; Who Makes The Glock 22 If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. Trigger Safety. Ever. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. Not too long ago, we posted an article (by me!) One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. And my Ruger .357. Second, they also trained. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. It has good stopping power and it only slightly has more recoil . I have four (4) SA revolvers. You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. The internal Safe Action System will not allow the pistol to go off accidentally. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. They said that it was the fault of Glocks having a super light trigger. It's offered in a wide range of cartridges, from .22LR to the .357 Magnum. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. Which gun would you choose if you could only have ONE each of: Rimfire rifle, rimfire pistol, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and shotgun? But carry the way you feel comfortable. People who dont carry with a round in the chamber have no training. Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. Didnt fire..interesting. This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on? Good on you guys for responding here. What is your birthday including time and birth location? The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. And yes, I have done trigger work on 2 of my 3 Glocks. A loaded GLOCK, some of the comments went, is susceptible to the dreaded GLOCK ND (negligent discharge). Never mind the others. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. No safety needs to include a stiff, lengthy trigger pull, like the LC9, or a DA revolver. As the saying goes, you do you. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. The odds of a holster obstruction triggering a Glock in that case is an acceptable risk due to the greater risk of being too slow. Clinging to God and guns. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. Weight: 22.9 oz. But now I get 18! Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. If thats a problem, dont carry a firearm. Try it with any style sidearm. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. I know some people , maybe most people , will be just fine carrying a Glock with a loaded chamber , but all the reasons people give for not are not 100% wrong either . Eventually, revolver designs changed. Yes. So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber. But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. When the handgun is retrieved, the mag is shoved in and the gun is ready to fire. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . Jordan enjoys giving his time and resources to help others and has spent 15 years volunteering in a boy's mentoring program He is and will always be an American Patriot. Glock originally designed the gun with an exposed hammer and their marketing agent said are you joking no one in their right mind would buy such an unsafe weapon because they can see that the hammer is cocked back. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. Just saying. That carries over to shooting, believe it or not. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. That is a good point that I have never heard before. . We do all make mistakes. Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. I have no worries about the gun going off when holstering it or even worse going off by itself while in the holster as many Glocks have done when a fold of the holster got snagged inside the trigger guard. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? Let's talk about wh. Even some shotguns will do that. I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. 1 of 2 Go to page. Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. As stated above, Glocks are safe. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? Many revolvers also changed; whereas the firing pin was once integrated with the hammer . However, that also creates issues. Please consider creating a . Does the Glock fire then? The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? The SAA was designed to be carried fully loaded with the hammer back on the first notch. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. But now at my age I know me and I know my weapons and youll be gambling with your life if you engage me thinking you know whether there is one in the chamber. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. One common question among Glock owners is whether or not they can shoot aluminum cased ammunition in their . Haha. I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. My Ruger LCP is carried with one chambered, and in a pocket holster that covers the trigger. U.S. They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. I think I can answer that one. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. THAT is a significant, even dangerous, error to be stating as fact. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective I am still way ahead of the guy who doesnt carry. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. Mad about covers it. If the trigger safety is not . I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? Glocks have a very long trigger pull. Good luck!!!!! I hope r.i.p is on your tombstone if you fail in a confrontation. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. Try it. Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[468,60],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_2',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');I, as well as others, have tested and tried to get the Safe Action System, to fail but without actually modifying parts, we havent been able to. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Amen! plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone.
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